Welcome Welcome I'm very excited to have this conversation folks. The person on the screen right now is George from cryptar us and there's a lot of things I have to ask you. but before we get into that, how are you doing today I'm doing really well. Actually, you got you got me at a good time because I actually sound normal I just recover from a sickness and I sound really bad but uh I'm feeling good today I think we're going to have a good chat now.

One of the first things I want to get into is when I was doing some research on you. you've been creating content for a while. in fact, the better part of a decade I would actually argue when you're one of the longest lasting crypto content creators. So I want to talk about the crypto side, but also the content side.

So I guess we could start. but how did you get into content? How did you get into crypto and how did you end up melding the two together? Oh I never want to be on screen honestly I'm I'm more more of an introvert. Um, so you know I never wanted to get on screen but uh I got wrecked in 2008 2009 after the housing bubble crash, right? and uh I was you know I was already investing by that point I lost everything and I really really did not pay attention to anything until 2013 when I heard about this magical digital currency Bitcoin that hit $1,000 in the first you know for the first time in his history, right? and that unfortunately I could have been in earlier because my career beforehand was in it right? But then you know because I got like so like burnt by all the money lost in 2008 I didn't pay attention to 2013 and then I learned about Bitcoin I'm like this is the greatest thing ever. So uh I got into mining in 2013 2014 unfortunately I didn't know anything about it.

um and when things started coming down, it got bad I sold out and then I came back in in 2017 when I heard Bitcoin once again hit $1,000 and then I realized man I missed out. You know I had so many I could have kept it rather than you know selling it right? Um, so 2017 is when I started really digging into Bitcoin and and all the other crypto at that time which more or less were all copycats of Bitcoin. It's not like today. uh back then it was like Litecoin and feathercoin and and they're all just basic copies of each other.

Dogecoin was around back then but I I started you know, getting myself in tune. started doing Q&A really with people that were asking questions on the site. uh Kora and then I started my website Cryptos Us.com and this was toward the end of 2017 when Bitcoin really started coming up. Ethereum also just got released.

it got it was really, um, exciting time and then someone told me hey, you got to go on YouTube you know you got to get yourself out there and I'm like I really don't want to be on YouTube I don't know how to talk you know I'm not handsome I I'm not, you know uh. charismatic I don't I can't compete with those guys on YouTube right? But this person is like just do it right and I thought I'm just going to do it and I did and uh and I I did pretty well on my channel because it was the late half of 2017 when Bitcoin hit 20,000 Everyone was foming so my channel grew to 40,000 subscribers really quickly. But then of course what happened. then the market started coming down and then I struggled and my channel really really struggled.

I I couldn't even get like a thousand, you know, uh, views per video. but you know during the time I kept. You know I kept up with it. You know I'm like I'm not going to leave once again.

First of all, I believe in Bitcoin and Crypto that much. and second of all, I started doing a lot of research on just you know YouTube YouTube influencers and people that put out videos about how to succeed on YouTube right? And you know I started doing a lot of research but one thing I noticed is uh, consistency right? A lot of people get burned out or they're not consistent because they lose interest or whatever and I'm like I'm going to outwork all these guys no matter what. I'm just go put out one video every day and we'll see how it goes. and I did that from 2018 all the way until 2021.

My channel really did not blow up, did not have any movement, and in fact for three months YouTube banned my channel because at that time uh it was during 2020 because of uh coid you know YouTube like you know uh told everyone to go home and they had like a automation thing where they try to detect you know spamming channels and stuff and they they they associate all these crypto channels being spammy and then they just automatically ban and my channel got banned for like three to four months and that was horrible when I got it back I had even less traction than before but I still did not give up and uh in 2020 when the Bull Market came back. that's when more people recognized me. Um and then my channel blew up in 2021 and and in 2022 and you know and still going strong in 202 three. So I know I said a lot but that's kind of like the beginning to now.

Wow, no I appreciate that. One quick question: how did you come up with the name cryptar us? What's the birth of that? Oh I don't I don't know I don't know if I should share that I think you could tell you could guess right? I was thinking Toys R Us yeah that's okay. like so like I just didn't know like there was some other meaning to it. Yeah, everyone else was using their name or something like Crypt Bobby or whatever I'm like, let's try to think something else, you know.

and and Toys R R was still around back then. I'm like, all right, Cryptos are us I like it. In rewinding to the start of it in 2008, it sounds like you obviously had an equity portfolio. So to this point in time, do you still at all trust in equities? Let's even say the overall: Market Do you still invest? or is it just purely crypto at this point? No.

I still believe in equities of course I still believe in the big guys. Um, you know in terms of one thing. Well, there's a couple things I've learned over the years. One thing is again, it doesn't matter if it's equities or crypto, you have to have patience.

Way too many people try to outsmart a market or outtrade the market and they end up losing either all of it or some of it. But most of them lose. The key is to have patience Buy Low When other people are fearful and sell High when other people are greedy. That's really the magic formula that most people just do not listen to, right? Uh, so that's number one.

So yes, I got burned many times before in equities and crypto and that's something I learned. You know you just have to have patience. You hold on to the one, the strong crypto or equities and then you just that's it. You hold it or you DCA throughout the lows and wait for the gains to come to you.

Number two, and this relates to only equities is I Don't see any reason why anyone should hold anything outside of the top big tech companies out there like I Really think it's absolutely I would go as far as say almost ID idiotic to hold anything else other than like the Big Five And who are the big Five? well like Apple? Microsoft You throw Google in there, throw Tesla in there. you throw Nvidia in there. That's five. If you wanted to add Facebook or Amazon you can.

But these top five you look at at their year-to-year performance. okay, even during recession times. Yes, they go down, but you average out their year-to-year performance over the last decade or two decades. They're thousands of percents and then you look at like regular.

You know, companies like I don't know Johnson Johnson PNE you know uh Travelers Insurance uh like AT&T Verizon they go up like maybe five 5% a year at most and you know it just makes no sense I I Guess some people may want to buy and hold those equities for for dividends reasons and they feel like oh, I I want to collect my five or six per dividend right? But if you're holding equities, you hold on to these big Tech high growth companies. You know they're not going to go away. they're not going to go bankrupt, They keep getting bigger and eating away everything. So that's also something I learned like why would you hold anything else besides the top five? Really, that's it.

And I'm assuming you have that same sort of Mantra in the world of crypto, so is it just Bitcoin Ethereum is the list just Bitcoin or is it a bigger list than Bitcoin And Ethereum No with bit with crypto is a little bit different because crypto still. um, it's still I see Crypto Market as the tech sector in in like the 90s and early 2000s. Okay, we have big established projects like Ethereum. Okay, Ethereum is definitely established and I'm I'm REM moving Bitcoin from this picture because Bitcoin doesn't really compete with anything else.

Bitcoin is a digital gold. It's a store of value medium exchange and you could argue. You know it's a hedge against inflation, right? But everything else in the space is more like a tech company. A startup tech company.

Yes, evaluations are kind of skewy because a lot of these companies are already worth billions. But uh, they are still trying to figure it out and starting to grow. you know, and adding more to their I guess ecosystem. Yeah, so you know, outside of Ethereum which is ready established I mean they're still small though.

Everything else you know I I could say Binance, smart chain or polygon or Avalanche um, Salana Cardano These guys barely scratch the surface. As big as they are or seem they like they are, they're really small still. Um, they haven't onboarded. A major dap that supports millions of users yet, right? We haven't seen that one viral app.

Um, that supports 10 million users, right? We don't see that yet. We see a lot of Defi stuff decentralized Finance right? Which yeah, we have a lot of users, but that's about it. Most of the volume is all attributed to trading. That's it.

We don't see these viral social apps yet, although some popped up recently. Uh, social apps or games specifically? Uh, we don't have really any killer games yet. Um, but you know that's why it's early, right? So with Crypto I to answer your question, it's not just a big five. although they are the most solid and they do move very well.

I Do diversify a little bit more into like the mid and small caps because they do move the most in a bull market and you know everyone's still trying to figure it out. So I think it's good to diversify a little bit. It seems like you have a very similar mindset of investing of some of the most successful investors in our time. and on that note, I'm curious if you've ever heard of Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger's commentary on Crypto I think Charlie Munger himself who he's almost Infamous for really not holding his tongue.

he referred to Crypto itself as I think a venial disease and rat poison. Obviously, you being a big supporter of Bitcoin and Crypto as a whole, don't agree with that. But like, where do you think the disconnect is? Do you think it really is a related and he just doesn't see where it's going Or like, where do you think it is of why you have such a different opinion than some of these other very I I Guess well-respected famous long-term investors? Yeah. I Mean you know this is one of those arguments.

It's kind of like a lose lose situation, right? Because number one is. Yeah. I Think they're wrong. but I'm not worth a hundred billion dollars.

So who am I to say that they're wrong, right? Like there's always this argument. You know, if you're so smart, why are you not rich as them? Well, you know, Opportunity. You know it's it's not the same now versus before. But here's why: I Feel like they're wrong.

First of all, they are extremely old. Okay, let's not dance around that they're both in their 90s. Close to 100, right? So how they invested and the companies they invested back a 100 years ago are very different than now. Tech Really didn't explode until the 90s and 2000s, right where after Doom bubble? Um, a lot of the major companies that we see today, you know, came out of that period, right? Warren Buffett Made his money by investing what he knows like Banks a lot of banks.

If you look at his portfolio, it's all banks, right? Banks and financial institutions like credit cards and stuff. Um, but here's the funny thing. and I don't have the exact numbers I'm sure you could dig it up. Anyone watching could dig this up if you look at the biggest growth in his portfolio over the last 10 years by a long shot.

which company it was Apple Apple Basically made his portfolio go up singlehandedly within the last 10 years ever since Warren Buffett Finally admitted that he missed out on a lot of tech sector like almost everything in Tech And then he finally admitted and caved and said okay, I'm gonna add some Apple and he's been continuing to add more and more Apple That's the only reason why his portfolio has been doing well just because of that one company. If you look at the list of everything else like City Bank and Bank of America and all the banks and everything railroads and Airlines and Cocacola everything else that he has in there that produce Commodities because he loves Commodities and I Get that right, they're producing a product they have not been gaining at all. so it's obvious that yeah, you know he came up from a different time. that's very different than now, right? And I don't know why they both hate Bitcoin so much because they probably can't believe the returns that it has produced over the last 13 years.

I Think that's probably the biggest reason I'm sure they have seen a lot. I'm sure they've seen a lot of Ponzi schemes go up very fast and then go down very fast, right? And I think because they don't understand it, they just equated to the same thing. This must be a Ponzi scheme that is hot right now and it'll come back down. Well, this Ponzi machine has has been ongoing for 13 years, right? So when is it going to come down? It's only getting stronger and every single cycle it gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

The answer to that is it's not a Ponzi scheme so it's not going to come down right? But I think it's just too late for them to admit to that, right? It's kind of their stick now. A lot of these Bitcoin naysayers. You know they have to say that they're not bitcoiners like another one. Peter Schiff Who's a big gold guy? You'll never admit anything good about Bitcoin because you know that's just his stick.

It's like I hate Bitcoin you know. Um, so that's the reason why I Think they're You know that's why they don't like Bitcoin you just mentioned Peter Schiff and obviously gold. And before you talked about Bitcoin being digital gold and obviously it's commonly thought that gold is a a store of value, especially in an inflationary environment. And I'm sure you get this question a lot.

But right now, having what a two decade high level of inflation, why aren't we seeing gold Or excuse me, Digital Gold AKA Bitcoin Go up right now. And also to be fair, the reason I'm thinking about gold is gold itself is actually not going up the last time I checked it even though we're sitting at whatever inflation right gold is actually kind of recently dipping. so uh, more so on the side of digital gold. AKA Bitcoin Why are we not seeing it continue to rip now? Well, the thing is okay.

there's there's a couple sides of this argument. You have one side, which is this four-year cycle. Okay, if you ignore everything else and you just look at Bitcoin's you know how it moves. its history.

Basically, it moves based on four years. Why? Because every four years there's this this event called a having event which decreases its inflation rate by half. So right now it's about 6.125 Bitcoin's being released every block which is every 10 minutes. that's going to get get cut down to three something next year, right? So if you look at Bitcoin's Price movement it it has been doing the same thing every single time.

meaning you have. Let's just start from the having event that's kind of like a Baseline and then after a having event shortly afterwards, we start seeing the price go up tremendously to a top to a fomo top parabolic top. and then the bubble bursts and it goes back down and goes to a new low right. And then it kind of sits there for a while, recovers until it gets back to the having event and then it starts over right? Okay, so we're just looking at a fouryear cycle.

We are exactly where we should be. Our low of this year in very beginning was 15,000 That was beginning of the year. So we're we're almost up 100% right now. Year to date.

If you look at Bitcoin's history, you go back all the way to the beginning. Annualized return for Bitcoin is 144% per year per year. That's including the down years you know. So imagine if you took out a down years how well the good years did, right? Um, so looking at that perspective I think we are exactly where we are.

We're closing in at, you know, 28,000 right now. closing in close to 30,000 right? And we're We're off from our bottom, right? And here's the thing with the bottoms. They keep getting higher. Every single bottom that we form with every single cycle is higher.

Same thing with the top right. So we make higher lows and higher highs. Keep in mind it wasn't not too long ago in March of 2020, Bitcoin fell below $4,000 to 3800. Okay, most people forget that that was not that long ago, that Bitcoin was below 4,000 and now we're at 28,000 right? That's a tremendous jump.

So there's that aspect. So that's number one. Number two is, you know what? When the macro conditions are bad, everything is bad. which is why Gold also has not risen up to the Moon too when you have this massive Um event.

okay, um, I'll just say the Co event right. When everyone is fearful, everyone sells off everything. you know that's just human psychology. It's like if I don't know what's going on and I'm fearful of tomorrow.

Let's just sell off everything, right? Um, and you know, 202, 2022, and 2023. We've been in constant fear because of Fed Share Paul and his constant rate hikes, right? non-stop raid hikes, raid hike Ra, and then of course, uh, we see. You know other factors like the US government irresponsibly, uh, adding more debt to its balance sheet keep printing more money, right? So there's a lot of fear. And then you got a lot of people saying, well, this is death of the dollar, right? We're going to go deeper in recession or we might go into depression and you got everyone guessing.

But what they're doing is causing a lot of fear. So when there's a lot of fear out there, does anything do well, The answer is no. Everything's kind of suppressed, right? We're not back to Co levels, but we're kind of like just kind of hovering. You know, like Equity is also kind of like.

you know, we kind of peaked in July Uh, Janu uh July Yeah, and then we came back down and we're kind of hovering down right? You know, everything's kind of suppressed right now. So that's another reason because the macro conditions are so uncertain right now and there's so much fear. it's kind of hard to see one asset class like Bitcoin just Skyrocket to the Moon while everything else is low, right? Because the money is just not there. Money is sitting on his Sidelines.

but there are there are a lot of money out there that's waiting to come in. It just hasn't happen yet. So I think it's just a combination of these two things. That's why Bitcoin has not skyrocketed back up to its previous high, but it's just a matter of time.

I Want to get your thoughts on this? another one. Another reason of why here. Maybe it's not. There is what you really said of the money on the sideline, but I think part of that is the current state of regulations in the SEC and really just the fact that we don't have a spot.

Bitcoin ETF Which means the 10 to 12 trillion retirement money economy in the US. None of that can get exposure even through an ETF or anything like that So if we think of it as something as basic as almost regulatory Highway on-ramps into the Bitcoin sphere or the cryptosphere. No. Wall Street Money can really pull that off like yeah, maybe there's some like Nuance cases here and there.

but in terms of billions, if not trillions of dollars, that exposure is not there, at least at this moment in time. Do you think that's a a fair? Another thing to add on? Yeah, you know one. One thing you have to keep in mind is when you buy Bitcoin physical Bitcoin you have to worry about storing it right? Um, for retail investors like you and I we can store on a wallet. There you go.

But if you're a big institution and you're buying a hundred billion dollar, let's say of Bitcoin and that might be too high. Let's say h100 million do worth of bitcoin you have to store somewhere. Are you really going to trust your it guy to just hold in a ledger in the data room? right? Probably Probably not. So you have to worry about, you know, paying for a custodian like coinbase or someone else to hold it right and it gets complex.

I'm sure there's with certain industries there are certain regulations that have to buy bu certain audits they have to buy buy the accounting is you know, not favorable yet? Um, but soon. But you know there's a lot of things that companies don't worry about. And especially like if you're like a pension fund you know, a retirement fund you know for them to just go straight into Bitcoin and hold Bitcoin is extremely risky and difficult and cumbersome, right? So for them to be able to just buy stocks from a spot Bitcoin ETF Fund right? It makes sense for them. That's what they're used to and they don't have to worry about all the extra stuff.

Let the fund companies worry about that. So I Think number One is. you know besides just the money, just the the the complex. I Guess nature of getting into crypto is removed from spot Bitcoin with Spot Bitcoin ETFs Right gotcha? Um, but when you remove that complexity, well then it's it's much easier for people to invest, right? So these large fund companies I think they can definitely put in.

It's anticipated right now, anywhere between 200 to 400 billion that will flow into Bitcoin After Spot Bitcoin ETF gets approved, that's a lot of money sitting sidelines right? defitely. I think I Think that's just the beginning too. I Think you know there's retail investors that want to get in as well. You know some that.

Again, you know, even though they're retail, they don't want to mix with everything. They just want to use their brokerage account and go buy some. Bitcoin ETFs Um, so I think with the coming bull Market, you're go to see an influx of fomo from retail investors and institutional investors, right? They're all going to be jumping in and spot. Bitcoin ETFs Just helps the process.

It's another way to onboard people into the space sort to speak. So I think it's tremendous if you don't necessarily know the exact answer. I guess I'm looking for your best guess. These people who are buying at size.

Are they doing cold wallets and storing it in some fancy schmancy safe? Or how how do you do it like I guess we threw out the number of just 100 million? Whatever it is, do you have any idea of how that is actually properly safely stored? Yeah, we. we see it all the time. We see it all the time. Like if you look at, there's a lot of analytic companies that will look at the wallet from like Coinbase for example or Kraken or Gemini And all of a sudden you see a a massive 1 billion or 500 million or 400 million.

Bitcoin leave from their exchange right? That's exactly what's happening. Basically one of these big guys went to Coinbase and said I want to buy You know, a billion dollars with the Bitcoin right? So they would remove it from and this is considered OTC sale. So this is not on this the spot market. So basically Coinbase is like okay, I got this much to sell.

You want to buy it at this price I'm GNA sell it to you right? and then Coinbase will transfer it to whatever custodian that they want to hold this. I Mean there's a lot of custodians out there. A lot of banks are acting like custodians. Coinbase is probably the biggest and most reliable.

I I Don't know if that's true, if it's the most reliable, but definitely one of the biggest, but there's other ones out there that act as custodians right. and then you basically give it in trusted with these guys, right? And their system, of course, is foolproof. It's cold, so meaning once you transfer to that wallet, they unplug it. they're monitor to 247 right? and they do all the audit, checks and everything that does happen all the time.

And we could see that. You know whenever you see like a $400 million drop in Bitcoin reserves on Exchange It's not because retail investors decided to sell $400 million for the Bitcoin, it's because it's being offloaded somewhere, right? Gotta? And yeah, so it definitely happens all the time. Yeah? I I Appreciate that. I Never really thought of it to this moment.

Speaking of which, another thing I never thought of. Obviously, you seem to be of the mindset of you buy: Bitcoin you hold it when it's low, your dollar cost average, and That's a classic investing technique. But talking about the technical aspects of Bitcoin this four-year cycle and the having, is it really that crazy of an idea to almost do three years on one year off? Like is that the most insane Oh like is obviously not investing, but also it's a little too longterm to be called trading, so almost like a longer duration swing trade of hold it for three years and then just take one year out and then come back in. Is that like that ludicrous of an idea? No, it's just that sometimes you're hit with a surprise, right? Uh, I'll give you an example.

In 2021 we had a double top for Bitcoin Bitcoin shot up to 64,000 and then it crashed to 28,000 because I think people thought the same thing like okay, this is the top, it better sell and then it went from 28,000 all the way back to 69,000 Then I'm sure people F in back then the ones who was sold thinking well, this is a mistake AK and then obviously after 69,000 we went down again. So sometimes you're thrown a curveball right? Like you don't know exactly when the top is, you could kind of guesstimate. same thing with the bottom. You could kind of guesstimate when the bot bottom is, but you just don't know.

So if you're truly investor and you know you're you're in it for a long H You're like, okay, I'm just going to accumulate as many Bitcoins as I can in my lifetime, right? It doesn't mean that you can't take profits. It doesn't mean that you can't take some off to table and lock in the profit. Um, but you know, why go through all that? Why go through the guessing game when you know my life mission is just go accumulate more and more and more. And I think with every cycle because of the money that's in.

Um, because the dollar value goes higher the the the Peaks and valleys are going to diminish right? We're not going to see the same kind of drops. For example, our last drop in 2022, we saw Bitcoin go down 77% which is significant. but the previous cycle before that Bitcoin went down 85% and the cycle before that it went down 89% right? So obviously we're seeing the the effect of that already. It's just not going down as much.

Part of that is due to you know, less manipulation because the dollar amount is higher. Some of is probably due to the long-term holders that keep on accumulating, right? So you know, with that in mind, this next cycle you okay, you can. You can logically say okay, you know by the end of 2025, maybe like October November December is of 2025 I'm gonna sell it all and I'm GNA time to buy back in, right? But then you don't know where that bottom is This time around is the bottom? Maybe 60% off from Top Is it 50% off? Maybe we only have a 30% drop and we keep on going. Because now with spot Bitcoin ETFs with the institutions holding hundreds of billions to trillions of Bitcoin Maybe we just don't go down as much anymore, right? So then it becomes a guessing game So you know that.

That's kind of my perspective again. I'm not saying everyone should just hold 100% all the time, right? I Think it's very smart to take off the table to take some off the table I Think you know for me I Think like 30% in cash is good, so it doesn't matter if you're in a bare Market or a bull market. If the bull market comes and then you see that cash pile diminish, take some off the table right and keep it at 30% So that way even if we do hit top and we start coming down, that 30% is plenty for you to DC along the way until the next cycle. Top right? Uh, same at the bottom.

You know if you can't take off the table because you're in the red, well you just have to figure out other ways to replenish that cash pile from your earnings or from a side gig or something like that. Um, so that's kind of how I view it. Yeah, that's awesome. I Have a fun question for you if I gave you $10 million right now I I Came your place, put it on your lap, and this 10 million had to be invested for the next decade or two.

How would you split it up? Would it be crypto? would it be crypto? equities? Would it be real estate? Would you dig a hole in your backyard? 10 million in cash? What would you do with it? 10 million? Okay, I would. If this was like a contest, let's say to make the most money that you can within I don't know x amount of years. Um I would go all in crypto. Especially now.

Okay, especially now. Okay, um, because I truly believe we're coming off from bottom. We're going to have a fantastic year in 2024 and even better in 2025. This is definitely the time to be in it now.

I would not go 100% all in right now. I would probably put in 50% and hold 50% in cash. Okay, but I would not dare to put anything in real estate right now because real estate market is softening for sure. Prices are coming down.

You know, who knows how much is gonna go down? Maybe another 10% 15% 20% But real estate is going to come down because we know for sure. mortgage rates are Skyhigh People are just can't afford to buy the same kind of homes they could before when interest rates were below 3% on a 30-year mortgage. Now it's at 7.5 or 8% You know, the homes that people can afford are just very different, right? And now we're seeing softening with the economy too, with job market getting a little bit weaker, right? We're seeing the job data, you know the the, the, which one, the payroll report starting to come down right. I mean overall you know people are are spending less so that means real estate market is horrible one to get into right now.

Um, but you look at equities I think equities could still do fine but a little rocky right now? Um, but crypto is definitely the one to be in in my opinion I would put about 50% in cash, 50% in crypto and I'll probably spread that 50% in crypto probably among like, probably like within 10, right? vast majority of it in Bitcoin a lot of it in ethereum and kind of spread the rest with some of the other ones I like and then and then just wait and see basically kind of slowly DC into those over time with the remaining 50% right? Maybe until I get to that 30% Mark in cash and then I stop and wait. But yeah, you know nothing is going to outperform crypto in the next two years. with this next run. Um, it won't even be close.

What a phenomenal answer! Very well thought out. Well, that's the time we have for today. I Truly appreciate everything you had to say. Now for the folks who just want to know more of what you're up to and what you're doing, where's the best place they can find you on the internet? Uh well.

I stream almost uh, every day, twice daily on Crypt R Us which is my YouTube channel uh in case you can't catch my live videos I do have a side Channel called Crypt R Us Clips which are short clips for my main stream right and also I have started a new Channel with new host called Crypto Russ plus um but if people really want to watch me, they have never seen me want to learn about what I've just said and more. You should definitely check out Cryptos R Us so I have a lot of good content in there. All right, awesome folks, everyone listening. I'll make sure that's in the description of the video so it's just one click away.

but George We appreciate your time and hopefully we could talk again soon in the future. Thanks for having me! This was great!.